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The United States participation in the Second World War began in 1941 and lasted until the Axis powers surrendered in 1945. During that period, on September 24, 1942, Congresswoman Clare Boothe Luce delivered the following address, “The Role of American Women in Wartime,” to a women’s banking committee. Read the passage carefully. Write an essay that analyzes the rhetorical choices Luce makes to convey her message that women needed to prepare to make more sacrifices as the war effort continued.
In your response you should do the following:- Respond to the prompt with a thesis that analyzes the writer’s rhetorical choices.
- Select and use evidence to support your line of reasoning.
- Explain how the evidence supports your line of reasoning.
- Demonstrate an understanding of the rhetorical situation.
- Use appropriate grammar and punctuation in communicating your argument.
And now I am going to say something which I could only say among us girls. So far in this war we are still the luckiest women in the whole world. For instance we still have lipsticks, and even some silk stockings. And although many of us have gone into uniforms, they are still made of good cloth and are well cut. Sisters, for a lot of us, perhaps too many of us, important though the part we have played in it so far, it is still easy—and I almost said “glamorous” for us. But, believe me, for each of us these are the good old days now, my friends.
Now we have got to face a great, big fact. We have got to face the fact that the ‘interesting’ part of our participation in this war effort is just about over. There isn’t going to be any glamour in what we have to do from here on in. I realize that for most women there is little that is glamorous in a war, any war. But we have to be frank enough with ourselves to admit that in our effort to help, we have still managed to do a lot of things that are both helpful and, by a remarkable coincidence, attractive. We’ve been able, as we went about our wartime activities, to find time to wonder, as I say, a little about those uniforms. We’ve had time to be disturbed a bit about the freezing of fashion designs, about the lack of silk stockings. Yes, we’ve found time to look a little for glamorous.
But, from here on in to victory, glamour is out and toughness is in. From here on in to victory, girls, the way is going to be hard. From here on in, women and men and children, too, for that matter, are going to have to take on the serious task of winning this war. Our president has called this the “toughest war in history” and whether you here tonight class yourself as a political follower of the president or one of his political opponents, you must accept that definition as completely accurate.
What, then are we women going to do in the tough days that lie ahead? Well, we’re going to do a lot of the things we are doing right now, but we are going to do them a lot more intensely and, if you will pardon me, a lot more intelligently.
With our men, we’re going to work and fight for victory. We’re going to submit, but we’re going to understand why we submit to, rules and regulations; we’re going to take, and manage with, more and more rationing. We’re going to have colder homes, different foods, less clothing—we’re going to accept the challenges imposed by these conditions. We’re going to keep our homes and jobs going because we know, being women, what happens if we don’t keep them going.
The women of the next few years—and please believe that my use of the plural ‘years’ while pessimistic, is honest—the women of the next few crucial years are going to see that their children, those precious treasures for whom we fight, are kept healthy and warm and well fed and well schooled and as happy as possible under conditions which are bound to become less and less favorable and not at all glamorous for anyone from here on in.
Yes, ladies, the road ahead is going to be a bumpy one. It is going to be full of ruts and rocks, the ruts of endless, colorless effort, and the rocks of almost insurmountable obstacles. It takes no gifted prophet to foresee this road to victory. A soft war leads to a hard peace. A hard war leads to a happy peace. We must fight a hard war. I think we will not much long kid ourselves that this war can be won by an effort which, though extremely great, is still a comfortable one. I think we are coming to the grim realization that such dreams of comfort are insidious saboteurs of our war effort.
We have got to come to some grim conclusions in the days that lie ahead. We have got to come to the conclusion that it will not be won until we all fight to win it, every minute of every hour of every day, from here on in. We dare not measure our effort by its drain on our comforts; we dare to measure it only by its contribution toward the victory for which we fight.
Congresswoman Clare Boothe Luce, uses ethos pathos and logos to rally the strong American women to do their best and work hard in supporting the men fighting in the dangerous battle fields. She established her ethos, or her validity, by relating to the other women. She starts her message with the statement that she will be speaking what, “I could only say among us girls.” She implies many times within her inspiring message that she is on the team with the rest of the women. Many times she uses the pronouns “we” “us” and “girls.” She wants everybody to stick together in a team. She applies to pathos when she says that, “So far in this war we are still the luckiest women in the whole world.” She mentions “glamor” many times, and how instead of glamor, that the times were all about strength and toughness. She says,”from here on in to victory, glamour is out and toughness is in.” She also mentions that hard work can be attractive, as she says, “in our effort to help, we have still managed to do a lot of things that are both helpful and, by a remarkable coincidence, attractive.” She also mentions the bond between men and women, saying. “With our men, we’re going to work and fight for victory.” She even pokes at logos, when she opens the second paragraph saying, “we have got to face a great, big fact.” She continues on, saying, “the ‘interesting’ part of our participation in this war effort is just about over.” She goes on explaining that the war won’t be pretty, or “glamorous” as she mentions it, and that they have to be smart and stay strong. One of the biggest points that she makes is that the president mentions that this was the “toughest war in history”.
ReplyDeleteMarcie, I really like your use of quotes from the passage to back up your statements; however, why is her use of the we, us, and girls within her message so important to her argument?
DeleteI felt like you brought good ideas to the table in this analysis, but I wished you had elaborated a bit more on the importance of the quotes you used. In the section where you talked about her use of logos, you used a lot of quotes, but never actually explained why they are logical.
DeleteYour post is very well written and you have several great points. I wish you would have spent a little more time on several of your quotes just to tie them in a bit more to what you were saying.
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ReplyDeleteWhen we think back to the Second World War, we know that many women in American had to step to the working lines to cover the men’s jobs as they served in the war. As a way to convince more women to fulfill these roles, Congresswoman Clare Boothe Luce, gave this address and used her pathos, logos, and ethos to appeal to the women. The first aspect of rhetoric that she establishes is ethos. The main use of this can be found in the quote, “ I could only say among us girls. So far in this war we are still the luckiest women in the whole world.” This establishes ethos because it shows that she will always stand by the side of the women and that they have to continue to work for everything they have so they can remain as lucky as they are. Another aspect, pathos, is played on extremely well in this passage. Pathos is used in a variety of ways, however, the main use that stuck out to me was the line, “glamour is out and toughness is in” because women during that time were used to being able to sit around and do nothing but look pretty. I believe that she was trying to play on their feeling of laziness in a way because she was constantly saying that toughness was “in” so they needed to stand up and doing something to help. Finally, with logos, there were many pieces of logic that she gave out to the women. One example was the line, “We have got to face the fact that the ‘interesting’ part of our participation in this war effort is just about over.” This is because it is calling into light the fact that the logic of the situation is just facts that need to be faced by all of us because it is the simple reality of it. I think she also pokes at relation to today’s society a little bit because it talks about the bond between men and women. This shows some relation because there is supposed to be a bond between men and women, according to the Bible. However, that bond may not always be there, even if it should be. So when it comes down to it, the strong women of America need to stand up and do their duty to their home country of America.
Jackie, I really like how you tied the Bible into this; however, how is the bond significant to her argument, and how does it appeal to rhetoric?
DeleteI’m not sure I understand the statement of women of the time sitting around and looking pretty, or being lazy. Personally, I believe Luce wanted women to fight, not because they were lazy, but because they would be a great asset to America during the war.
DeleteThis synopsis was very pleasing. Although I just disagree about Luce’s words that the ‘interesting’ part of women’s participation. Does her statement impose logic or is it a wake up call for women to stop thinking that working along the side of men should not be considered interesting but should be done with pride and seen as a norm in society?
DeleteI really like the way you wrote this. Sadly I disagree with you saying that Luce was trying to play on the laziness of the women. In that time, it was expected of the women to look their best, but that doesn’t mean they put all their energy into it. They did all the cleaning, cooking, shopping, taking care of the children. That was only if they were married with kids. If they were single, they had to hold a steady job among doing everything else, with the exception of caring for kids.
DeleteI like your analysis, Jackie, the only thing I don’t really understand is what you meant by saying that the women were feeling lazy. I think that the women had much will power and passion for their country, and that Luce was guiding the women in what to do.
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DeleteThe speech that Congresswoman Clare Boothe Luce delivered to the women of the United States of America during World War II used ethos, pathos, and logos to show the women in the United States at that time that they were very fortunate for what they had and that they were working very hard in that time of war.
ReplyDeleteFirstly she used logos when she compared the women in the U.S.A to the women around the world, “So far in this war we are still the luckiest women in the whole world.” She brought up the point that, “We have got to face the fact that the ‘interesting’ part of our participation in this war effort is just about over,” which used reason to show the women that the hardest part of the war is almost over. She went on with logos and reason by saying, “From here on in, women and men and children, too, for that matter, are going to have to take on the serious task of winning this war.” She implied that for the U.S.A, to win the war there needed to be a common ground between all people in any age, gender, or race.
The Congresswoman was very inspirational by using pathos to say that from here on out “toughness” is in and that “glamour” is out. She went on to say that, “...we’re going to do a lot of the things we are doing right now, but we are going to do them a lot more intensely and, if you will pardon me, a lot more intelligently.” In that statement she was pulling on their emotions and their values using pathos.
Clare Boothe Luce used ethos in the last part of her speech by using trust as a way to pull on the hearts of the women she was addressing, “The women of the next few years...are going to see that their children, those precious treasures for whom we fight, are kept healthy and warm and well fed and well schooled and as happy as possible…”
I really enjoyed your view about how she pulled at their hearts by bringing the children into it; however, don’t you think that this specific example you used related to pathos more, rather than ethos? Other than that, it was very well written!
DeleteYou mentioned about how Luce compared the women of the U.S. to other women around the the world, but you never said how that was important to her argument. On a positive note, I liked how you mentioned that the U.S. would need to put behind its racial problems, since equality in America was a huge issue at the time that only was destroying the country.
DeleteI very much enjoyed your explanation of logos. I also liked the quotes that you pulled from the massage. However I believe that your explanation on pathos and ethos, could use more clarity.
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DeleteJackie, you bring up a good point, however, it would relate to ethos more because coming from another mother, who the Congresswoman was, would build a common trust that they want the best for their kids which is what every mother wants.
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DeleteDuring World War II, Congresswoman Clare Boothe Luce delivered a speech at a women’s banking committee. The speech is titled “The Role of American Women in Wartime." She used this speech to uplift the female supporters of the war, and present them with a challenge- the challenge of self-sacrifice for the war to ensure a peaceful conclusion. She appeals to the rhetorical situation, ethos, pathos, and logos to deliver her message.
ReplyDeleteLuce uses the rhetorical situation to set the stage and tone for her speech. By using the rhetorical situation, she is able to prove her point in an appropriate way, so the main point would be taken in the desired way. The exigence of her speech is the contribution women put into World War II, especially in industry. Her purpose is to motivate and express their importance to the war and creating peace. Her audience is the women of America, and her context is the war itself, as well as the increasing role of women in industry because the men that had industrial jobs, but are currently fighting the war. Her message is the importance of their role, as well as the sacrifices that come along with it.
Luce establishes her ethos in a variety of ways. First of all, she establishes a familiarity and a relatability to her audience. She does this by calling the women her sisters and using phrases like “us girls.” She also does this by calling them her friends. She establishes moral virtue by stating that taking on the task of winning the war will be far from simple. She establishes goodwill by stating that things they have done to help the war effort are both helpful and coincidently attractive. She establishes practical knowledge by stating that war is far from glamorous, and with the task of taking on the war, there will be sacrifices that need to be made.
By using pathos, Luce is able to appeal to her audience, especially to the mothers in the audience. She heavily hits on the ideas of family. This within itself is an emotional topic. By doing this, she appeals to the emotions of the audience, and people always care about the safety, health, and happiness of their children. In doing this, she is using imagery indirectly. This makes the audience think about their own families, which furthers her emotional influence over the crowd. She also uses pathos while establishing her authority, her ethos, by creating that sense of familiarity and relativity. This keeps her message grounded, and puts across that she is the same as them. She also uses pathos when talking about the war, especially when talking about victory and peace. This instills a sense of accomplishment and success.
By using a logical perspective, she appeals to the audience in a way that differs from ethos and pathos. By being logical she is able to appeal to the common sense and practicality of the audience. She does this throughout her speech. First, she establishes logos by stating that the women of America have the best conditions of anyone at that current time. They have many luxuries, even though some of those luxuries are limited and being diverted for the war effort. She establishes logos again when she refers to the war as the “toughest war in history.” Then she uses the rhetorical situation to put that into a way that all women can relate to it, not just the ones of a single political party. She does this by using a rhetorical question that is within a statement- the statement about the war is correct, and it cannot be denied. She establishes logos again when she starts talking about all the sacrifices that were being made for the war. She talks about the grim realization that comfort is detrimental to the war effort. This uses antithesis toward the passions of the people. People dislike discomfort, and often avoid it, but she states that discomfort is necessary to win the war and establish a lasting peace.
Therefore, Luce uses the rhetorical situation, as well as ethos, pathos, and logos to present her message to the women of America. She also uses many rhetorical aspects and tools to make her argument enticing and convincing.
This was beautifully written; however, I’m confused as to what the specific setting and tone that she establishes is. I may be missing it, but if it is there, it’s not catching my attention as well as it should be.
DeleteI truly enjoyed reading this, and you made many good points. My opinion is that talking about the rhetorical situation kind of interrupted the flow of the essay. I feel that the rhetorical situation just summarizes a good amount of the speech and summarizing the piece of writing is not the goal of a rhetorical analysis.
DeleteCongresswoman Clare Boothe Luce saw that American women needed to play a bigger role in the Second World War. Luce uses ethos, pathos, and logos to stir the hearts of all American women to stop worrying about being “glamorous,” and get their hands dirty for the sake of their country.
ReplyDeleteLuce demonstrates ethos through quoting the president at the time, who was Franklin D. Roosevelt, one of the most loved presidents of all time. Luce mentions that the president called this war the “toughest war in history….” By mentioning such a beloved president, it shows that Luce and FDR have similar ideas and that Luce is someone who can be trusted. Luce continues to establish ethos by constantly referring to key terms such as “our,” “us,” and “sisters,” showing they are all suffering together. Luce also brings up the men fighting the war, and when she does she specifically addresses them as “...Our men….” This shows that Luce is suffering without a husband, so all of the other women in the room know that Luce is suffering what they are suffering, and it ultimately makes Luce much more credible. Luce uses ethos to establish empathy for the other women in the room with her.
Luce uses logos to tell women that they need to start doing more. Luce mentions, “We’ve had time to be disturbed a bit about the freezing of fashion designs… Yes, we’ve found time to look a little for glamorous.” This quote shows that if women have time to be thinking about what is going wrong, then they are not doing enough to support their country. Luce also brings up the first and most important job of a mother: protecting their child. Luce mentions that all mothers need to keep their children safe and happy during this time, so if they can’t be bothered to fight for themselves or their country, they should at least fight for their children. Furthermore, Luce mentions, “With our men, we’re going to work and fight for victory.” This symbolizes that men and women are fighting side by side, and one can’t win without the other. Luce uses logos to show that women are important for victory as well as the future of America.
Finally, Luce uses pathos as a waking call for women to rise to the challenge and show their value in the workplace. During this point in American history, women were fighting for equal rights, opportunities, and payment in the workplace. Now with men fighting the war, jobs need to be filled by women. Luce is telling her audience that this is their chance to prove women are just as capable as men, but this opportunity could be wasted if they don’t let go of the things that make women who they are, like fashion. Luce constantly mentions a woman's desire to be “glamorous.” Luce uses this as a challenge for her audience to do more.
Luce’s argument is that her audience is too worried about being glamorous to actually go the distance to win the war. This is the chance for the women of America to prove their worth in the workplace, and Luce is saying they will waste that chance if they keep worrying about being ladylike. Luce uses pathos to show women that if they don’t start doing more, they won’t get the respect they deserve.
I really liked the way you mentioned what women were going through at this period of time. Although, I’m not sure I took her acknowledgement of fashion as her saying women were too worried with it. My take away from her was an example of something they would no longer have the luxury to consider.
DeleteI enjoyed reading this analysis, but I would have to disagree with that statement that women are too worried about their appearance. I believe Luce used the word glamorous to encourage women to be more than eye candy for society and to see the big picture that they are a crucial factor within fighting the war.
DeleteIn 1942, Congresswoman Clare Boothe Luce gave an address to women concerning their role during the second World War. She used her power to uplift women and encourage them to stand up for their country. As a woman herself, she was able to speak for them, instead of at them, making her argument more convincing.
ReplyDeleteThroughout this passage, she takes a unique approach at establishing authority, or ethos. She chooses to address the women as a part of them. Luce makes each woman feel like an important individual. Her kindness and undeniable involvement in this group makes her easy to trust. An example of this in the text is, “And now I am going to say something which I could only say among us girls.” Luce’s introduction comes across as friendly. Moreover, she has made herself a trustworthy spokesperson for women, establishing authority, while managing to sound neither narcissistic nor forceful.
Her point is logically sound as well. Women must sacrifice for the war because they need all of the help they can find. She speaks only the truth of a woman's life at the time. “We’re going to keep our homes and jobs going because we know, being women, what happens if we don’t keep them going.” This empowering statement uses logos to draw in the traditional woman. By stating that their everyday lifestyle may change because of repercussions from the war, she is pushing them to see what they can do. That they can help alongside the men, and then return to their preferred way of life afterwards. It also makes women sound more knowledgeable, which reminds them they know more than men on some subjects and should lend a hand in anything concerning those matters.
The way in which she gives the speech also reels in the women with pathos. Luce is able to paint the bigger picture for women, so they can see ways they, and their families, can be personally affected by the war. At the time, her assumption of women as mothers and wives would not have been taken as an insult, but rather an accurate representation of them. She states, “the women of the next few crucial years are going to see that their children, those precious treasures for whom we fight, are kept healthy and warm and well fed and well schooled and as happy as possible under conditions…,” in this passage she focuses on the family and its importance. Later on she describes in detail ways that a child or their family complex might suffer. She uses this imagery to make the women passionate. Luce knows that even the thought of a child being hurt instills anger in any mother.
Overall, Congresswoman Clare Boothe Luce’s speech encourages women to do their part for the war. She made her point that politics and lifestyle had nothing to do with her motive, and also reminded women that they were a team while taking on this new role.
I really like how you mentioned Luce point that the women would have to keep the jobs going. I would have to agree that it uses logos, but I believe that was Luce encouraging women to work hard which would be using more Pathos.
DeleteClaire Luce Boothe was a well-known congresswoman who set the stage for women within the government while the United States of America was fighting in World War II. During her period of time as a congresswoman, Luce proposed many ideas about the war to the public. Her approach to women concerning their position in the war was marked to be her address, “The Role of American Women in Wartime.” This address was used to convince women that they had a bigger responsibility to aid in the war by using logos, pathos, and ethos.
ReplyDeleteA common word used in the address by Luce is “glamorous.” The stereotypical woman of this era was accustomed to be dressed in silks while her lips were stained with cherry red lipstick. Luce uses logos within her following statement; “There isn’t going to be any glamour in what we have to do from here on in.” This establishment of logos is enunciated as Luce displays authority in breaking the stereotypes of women that have been established in society. Luce wished to shatter women’s comfort of being a minuscule factor of victory or defeat within war. This war was the time for women to enter into the world of getting your hands dirty and sacrificing yourself for the people and the country they deeply love.
Luce acknowledges her audience as a group of women who she can relate to. Pathos is used by Luce when she suggests efforts that will be done by all women, including her. The quote “…we’re going to do a lot of the things we are doing right now, but we are going to do then a lot more intensely and…a lot more intelligently.” Luce plays with the listeners emotions by humbling herself as one of the women who also needs to intensify her role within fighting the war. There is a shock value of Luce saying that it is necessary for women to become more intelligent. Women begin to fear for the future and recognize that they were once blind to the fact that they must execute their duties in such a serious manner as the men who are overseas.
The most recognizable component of this powerful address is the array of words that express ethos. One instance is the quote “A soft war leads to a hard peace. A hard war leads to a happy peace.” These words lead to ambition. No citizen, man or woman, wishes for their country to be in a state of hard peace. The moral of war is to win feeling proud of your actions and efforts attempting to support and be of service to your country. Hard peace is present when you know you could have tried harder and the feeling of guilt rests within your mind for years to come. Luce wants women to be a factor within the hard war. Women should take on tasks with strength and pride so that they can experience a happy peace where they know that all of their efforts and days without food and glamour were all worth it.
This was very well written, and I agreed with a great amount of it. However, I am not sure that I really understand your last paragraph on ethos and how any of it establishes credibility. I may just not be interpreting what you wrote in the correct way, but it just confused me a little bit.
DeleteI like how you addressed that Luce uses the word “glamour” a lot in her speech and how you talked about it after. I agree that women should take on these tasks with pride because they are just as important as anyone.
DeleteIn 1942, Clare Boothe Luce, a woman who participated in Congress, delivered a speech a speech called, “The Role of American Women in Wartime.” This passionate speech played on a little on guilt, the motherly feeling that women have, a sense of pride, the fact that she is also a woman. All of these attributes help make her argument that women needed to be more self-sacrificial as the war proceeded on.
ReplyDeleteShe, in a way, used guilt and emotion to get her point across. A quote that caught my
attention was, “But, from here on in to victory, glamour is out and toughness is in.” She came across as if she was saying that the men at war were giving so much, while women were just too worried about looking good. It showed how the women needed to be helpful and not worry about being glamorous while doing it. She also used the relationship between mother and child to strengthen her case. She says, “...the women of the next few crucial years are going to see that their children, those precious treasures for whom we fight, are kept healthy and warm and well fed and well schooled and as happy as possible under conditions which are bound to become less and less favorable and not at all glamorous for anyone from here on in.” This quote uses a woman's emotions in a way that reminds them who they are fighting and working for; that they are not only doing this for themselves, but for their children and future generations. Therefore, she utilizes guilt and motherly love to assist in her persuasion.
Another rhetorical choice that is employed is a sense of pride. A quote that represents this is, “So far in this war we are still the luckiest women in the whole world.” This instills in the women pride and love for our country, which will help them understand why they need to give more. Another part from the speech that uses this is, “From here on in to victory, girls, the way is going to be hard.” Women were often kind of left out of wars and were not given much credit throughout the course of it. This part of the speech allowed them to see that their efforts made a difference, and they are as much of a help in victory as the men fighting are. Moreover, self-confidence played a huge role in making this speech stronger and more imploring.
One last rhetorical decision used is playing on the fact that the individual giving a speech
is also a woman. A quote that stood out for this is, “And now I am going to say something which I could only say among us girls. So far in this war we are still the luckiest women in the whole world. For instance we still have lipsticks, and even some silk stockings. And although many of us have gone into uniforms, they are still made of good cloth and are well cut.” She includes herself in the first sentence of that quote to show that she can relate to them, but then she says that they all must leave this behind. Another quote that does this is, “What, then are we women going to do in the tough days that lie ahead?” She continues to include herself in this, so she can show that she is not trying to shame them or make them feel like she was not doing some of the same things that they were doing. Therefore, she established credibility throughout this address.
This ardent speech was definitely written with a lot of heart, thought, and understanding.
Moreover, Clare Boothe Luce used guilt, a mother’s love, pride, and credibility to establish and prove her point.
Great analysis, but how exactly does she use guilt since she has only encouraged the women and motivates them. understand how Luce uses emotion to convey her message but I was a bit confused about how she actually guilted them.
DeleteI agree with your analysis and think it is very well written. I am confused on how Luce used guilt to appeal to ethos. I feel that she was appealing more to ambition to show that they are just as capable as the men are. I think that saying that women are just "glamorous" would make them more angry then guilted.
DeleteIn 1941, many things became different for families all across the United States. The war became more of a reality to them than it ever had been before. The men were being rallied together, but not many people rallied the women. In 1942, about a year after the U.S. was officially involved in the war, Congresswomen Clare Boothe Luce encouraged and pulled together the women using her power over words.
ReplyDeleteIn the very first sentence of her speech, she establishes her ethos, she immediately relates to all the women working by saying “...I could only say among us girls.” She claims she is one of the girls at home working too. She establishes a point of understanding. She goes on to show her moral virtue by not sugarcoating the reality of the situation they are in. Luce even goes on to quote the president, saying “Our president has called this the “toughest war in history”...” By doing this, she is implying she will never not tell the women the truth of what they must do for their country. By creating ethos between her, the women, and her speech, she already gained their attention.
Luce used pathos to rally the women of her audience together too. The women were already going through many different things during this time period with their husbands, brothers, fathers, etc. being away. As she talks about glamour, she is talking about now they won’t always be able to look their best, but that’s okay. She goes on to speak about the women’s children. Whenever a woman is reminded of her children, she is filled with love, she wants the best for them. Luce states “...the women of the next few crucial years are going to see that their children, those precious treasures for whom we fight, are kept healthy and warm and well-fed and well-schooled…” Almost every mother would do everything she can to ensure her children are happy. As soon as Luce used their emotions to show them what they could do to help their country, she began to gain their support.
Finally, Luce also uses a bit of logos to stir up the hearts of the women. She begins the second paragraph saying “Now we have got to face a great, big fact.” by using the word “fact” she is a;ready creating a sense of logic to her speech. Luce also spoke about the women submitting, but she doesn’t mean it in a forceful way. She means it as saying it is the logical option to obey what is going on in the world at this moment, and to make the least amount of problems.
Luce wants the women of America to feel empowered in all that they can do while they are home. She wants them to know that what they are doing, even if they are not face-to-face with combat, is still crucial. She gets these points across by persuading the women to get up, and become confident with what they can do.
You have a good, solid thesis statement as it sets the background for the whole essay. I agree with your ethos and pathos explanations. All in all, I think this is very well written.
DeleteI liked how one of your points dealt with glamour. I agree that they aren’t going to be looking as good as usual. I also liked how you showed compassion for the mothers. It is true that they will always try and make their kids happy.
DeleteCongresswoman Clare Boothe Luce made a speech to American women about the effects of the war. In the speech, she talks about what women during the war will have to sacrifice. She uses ethos, logos, and pathos to convey her message to the people that need to prepare to make sacrifices.
ReplyDeleteLuce uses two ways to establish ethos. She is a congresswoman, which automatically makes her trustworthy because she is in a position of authority. She also uses the fact that she is a woman to her advantage. In the text, she uses phrases such as “ among us girls”, “friends” , and “sisters”. Using these words helps make it prevalent that she is with the women of America and that she is telling them this as a friend. She builds trust by including herself with the group she’s speaking to. She also quotes the president of the United States to support her message which even furthers her credibility.
The congresswoman also uses pathos to tell the women her message. One of the ways she uses pathos is by talking about victory and the fight. She says in the text that “With our men, we’re going to work and fight for victory.” This motivates the women to want to fight and win the war even if it means sacrificing things they love. Luce also says “that their children, those precious treasures for whom we fight, are kept healthy and warm and well fed and well schooled and as happy as possible”. She uses a woman's desire to fight for her child as a way to motivate them. She also describes the children as “ precious treasures” which emphasizes on the value of children and how important it is to protect them.
Finally, logos are used as well to convey her message. She explains how the women in America are some of the “luckiest women of the world”. She is talking about how they already have so much, and it’s much more than most women have. She uses “glamour” a lot to make it clear that they already have more than they need. She talks about the reality of war and how it is tough and difficult. She explains that they need to face it and ration what they have.
I like how you talk about her building trust with the women. I also like how you tie the quotes in with your writing. I was a little confused with the quote that says “with our men...”. I am not sure how this quotes deals with sacrificing things that they love. I do agree that it motivated the women to want to fight.
DeleteAbsolutely wonderful analysis elana. The points you make in your writing are very good. Although it would have been a little better if you would have touched more on the logos of the speech.
DeleteOn September 24th, 1942 Clare Booth Luce addressed a women’s banking committee with “The Role of American Women in Wartime”. The message of the speech was simple. In the coming years, women will need to sacrifice more in order to help the war effort and eventually a victory. In order to convey the importance of this message, Luce uses the three appeals of the Rhetorical Triangle known as ethos, logos and pathos.
ReplyDeleteEthos is the Greek term for “ethics” and is used in rhetorical appeals to establish the credibility of the speaker. For example, the speaker’s status, awareness and professionalism can be used to build trust. The fact that Luce is a congresswoman provides an air of professionalism. Also, when Luce states, “And now I am going to say something which I could only say among us girls. So far in this war, we are still the luckiest women in the whole world,” she makes the women feel included and gains their trust. This helps Luce sway the women to her point of view.
Later in her speech, Luce uses logos, which is the Greek term for logic, to persuade her listeners. Logos is used to convince the audience that what they are hearing is worth their time. When Luce states, “We’ve had time to be disturbed a bit about the freezing of fashion designs, about the lack of silk stockings. Yes, we’ve found time to look a little for glamorous. But, from here on in to victory, glamour is out and toughness is in.” By saying this, the woman feel encouraged and gain a sense of confidence that they are playing as big, if not bigger, of a role in the war as anyone. From the statement, “from here on in to victory, glamour is out and toughness is in” the women feel that they have double the amount of responsibilities and double the courage and strength that they would normally have and thus worth their effort.
Finally, Luce uses pathos, the Greek word for emotion in the middle of her speech. She plays on the women’s emotions to gain their support. She says, “From here on in to victory, girls, the way is going to be hard. From here on in, women and men and children, too, for that matter, are going to have to take on the serious task of winning this war.” The emotion that women have toward their children and their loved one is immense. Every woman wants their children to be successful later in their life. She gets to the hearts of women to let them know that it’s more than sacrifice; it’s about doing what’s best for your family and others.
By using the three rhetorical appeals of ethos, logos, and pathos, Luce delivers a very convincing speech that appealed to her audience. One might argue that this speech played a pivotal role in helping the United States win the war.
You did a great job on your analysis and I really liked your points on ethos. However, I am confused about your statement about the women gaining confidence. I feel it appeals more to ethos than logos. It appeals more to their feeling of importance than to actual logic.
DeleteI liked how you went into detail to explain the importance of Luce’s credibility as the speaker. I think your connection in pathos can also be considered logos, as it explains the most logical way to care for children during this time.
DeleteI liked how you explained what logos was before implementing it into your essay. I also liked how you explained the rhetorical triangle in the middle of your essay.
DeleteGood job Mason you went into perfect detail about how the speech reaches out to the people that it is focused on. But you did not explain how she used the ethos as much as the others.
DeleteWomen had to give up some of their wants to help support the men in war. Congresswoman Clare Boothe Luce used ethos, pathos, and logos to bring the women together to support the men fighting for them.
ReplyDeleteCongresswoman Luce used ethos to convince the women. She establishes ethos by showing the women that she is standing with them. She does this in her speech by saying, “I could only say among us girls.” In her speech, she also calls the audience sisters and my friends, and uses the pronoun “we” many different times. Clare Boothe Luce uses ethos to show that she is standing with all of the women. She is delivering this speech to the women, because they can support the men by taking care of everything at home. They have to take care of their families and their properties. They are also going to be the ones that are going to have to sacrifice a lot.
Congresswoman Luce also uses pathos to persuade the women to support the men. She starts off by telling the women that this isn’t going to be easy, it is going to be hard. She also throws in there how the president says that it is going to be the “toughest war in history.” When she tells them all of this, she is preparing them for what lies ahead. She also tries to give the women some light in all of the darkness. She tells them that after all of the fighting, there will be peace. She is giving them hope.
She also establishes logos in her speech. She is giving them the facts for what lies ahead. She is telling them that there is no glamour in what is about to happen. Luce also told the women that they are going to have to give up many of their wants. They are going to have to do some things that they do not like to help support all of the men that are fighting. She is not sugar coating what they have to do.
To help prepare the women. Congresswoman Luce uses ethos, pathos, logos, and the rhetorical situation to prepare the women for what is coming.
Tami your analysis of the paper was very good. By using quotes from the passage you are able to paint a clear picture for your reader. Good work!
DeleteClare Booth Luce, a congresswoman during World War II, delivered a speech to a women’s banking committee. The speech discussed the importance of women during times of war and how war will affect their lives. She used ethos, pathos, and logos to prove to the women that they must make changes and sacrifices in order to lessen the effects of the war.
ReplyDeleteLuce addresses the women as one group, herself included. This allows the women to see that they are standing together through this war and that each one of them must be willing to help if they want to see success. She appealed to the audience using ethos by relating to them and showing that she is in the am situation as them. She establishes trust by mentioning things the audience of women can relate to. For example Luce says, “I realize that for most women there is little that is glamorous in a war, any war. But we have to be frank enough with ourselves to admit that in our effort to help, we have still managed to do a lot of things that are both helpful and, by a remarkable coincidence, attractive.” She uses her position as a woman of congress to entrust credibility.
Clare Booth Luce also reaches out to the women in the audience by playing on their emotions. She talks about the strength and will power that women possess to aid the men in the fighting of the war. She also appeals to their emotions by discussing their children and their love for them. She discusses how the happiness and wellbeing of the womens’ children will be affected if the women do not step in. She knows that a mother will show ambition to do what is best for their children. Luce appeals to the audience's ethos by talking about their most prized possession, their children.
Finally, Luce uses logic to convince the women's banking committee of their necessity in World War II. She explains that women need to involve themselves even though it is something unfamiliar and new to them. Luce states, “We have got to face the fact that the ‘interesting’ part of our participation in this war effort is just about over. There isn’t going to be any glamour in what we have to do from here on in.” She talks about the necessary toughness and the difficulties they will soon face. She ensures them that their hard work, intelligence, and efficiency will greatly assist their country. Luce talks about how the women stepping up their game will lead to happy peace in the long run.
Clare Booth Luce delivered her speech in a manner that the audience of women would take to heart. She used ethos, pathos, and logos to convince the women to be more involved in the war. Her speech had a great effect on the audience by showing them the importance of their help in the war.
Abby your analysis of the passage is great! I loved the examples you used to help prove your point along with the transition words you used to pull it all together. It was clear and conscientious and very well done.
DeleteCongress woman Clare Booth Luce has her hands full during her term in the World War ll era. One of her jobs included bringing to light the importance of women in war times. She had to introduce the harsh reality of what a lady’s place in the fight would look like, and it was not pretty. So how could she paint this in a picture that would infighter the fire inside of women for their country instead of putting it out completely?
ReplyDeleteLuce begins her argument by ripping the bandaid off immediately as she tells her fellow American women that the fight they now face will not be as “glamorous” as it had been in the past. By bringing this up so abruptly and quickly she sets a grim reality that cannot be danced around. It brings a sense of respect to the audience that she trusts they will be able to handle the truth. It helps set the tone for the rest of the argument. Luce also makes another interesting writing choice, she addresses her letter for only the girls.It may not seem like much in the beginning, but by making the letter seem more exclusive she brings to light the sense of comradeship and helps the readers feel more connected.
Another aspect of Luce’s writing is that she uses rhetorical questions throughout the passage. This helps the readers feel more involved in the situation and again they’re able to connect more. Connection is the root of her argument. She paints pictures of nice lipstick, fancy socks, and fun nights to show that she understands what they are going through. This plays on their emotions to make it seem like someone out there might be feeling the same way they are. It also helps make the argument more convincing.
The big seller for the passage is emotions. She plays on comradeship, empathy, and fear. She lets her readers know that they are not in this alone through putting reassurance into her words. This is a major factor that helps her appeal to the audience. By building a connection to her fellow Americans she is able to both encourage them and bring them to a sense of peace with their situation.
Congresswoman Luce does a great job of convincing women in this passage. Her usage of emotions and imagination help make the argument more convincing. She should be praised for her work in the position she was handed.
I like how you explained the importance in Luce being very easy to follow due to the trust she hold with the audience. However, maybe a quote from the passage would help better illustrate this point.
DeleteOn September 24th, 1942, in the midst of the Second World War, Clare Boothe Luce, a congresswoman, advocated for a change in the American women’s role in the war. In an attempt to change their accepted role in the war, she constructs her monologue to include a large portion of ethos, as well as logos and pathos. She established ethos by simply being of the same gender as her audience. The persuasion in her speech is largely based on the fact that everyone who was listening could relate to her. In the first line she says, “And now I am going to say something which I could only say among us girls.” Luce made sure to mention that she was on their side many times throughout her speech. Right before she explained the changes that were to be made, Luce said, “But, believe me, for each of us these are the good old days now, my friends.” This helps the audience understand that Luce isn’t asking them to make a change for her, but rather for the greater good. The audience knows that Luce is willing to endure the same sufferings as they will be, which also established goodwill. Luce was also very successful in uniting them, rather than creating controversy. Towards the middle of her monologue, she eliminates all political division by saying, “Our president has called this the “toughest war in history” and whether you here tonight class yourself as a political follower of the president or one of his political opponents, you must accept that definition as completely accurate.” By putting everyone on the same team, and setting a common goal, Luce establishes logos. She proposes all of her ideas in a very reasonable fashion, which gives the audience one clear, “logical,” decision. Right before Luce ends her speech, she explained, “We’re going to keep our homes and jobs going because we know, being women, what happens if we don’t keep them going.” She establishes pathos in saying this because it makes the audience feel a sense of obligation. Luce implies that women are strong enough to make a change for the greater good. Clare Boothe Luce basically convinced women to live like they were in poverty. She did so establishing ethos throughout her whole monologue, and also introducing the other elements; pathos and ethos, throughout the rest of the speech.
ReplyDeleteI loved the use of logos in your essay. The Congresswoman did not want a “change” in woman’s role in the war. She, however, wanted them to work to their potential to do as much as they could do back on the home front.
ReplyDeleteVery very very well written analysis Thomas. I along with Alex also really loved the way you talked about the logos of the speech. I think you hit almost all the main points on it, however I would have liked to see you dig a little deeper into pathos.
ReplyDeleteCongresswoman Clare Boothe Luce was giving a speech the the American woman during the world war. She was trying to take the females into being strong for the men fighting and to do their part. In the speech she include ethos, logos, and pathos several times to make her point stronger, and to help them understand her point easier.
ReplyDeleteShe uses ethos in her speech many times mainly when she say us girls, and other phrases to remind them she is a girl to and she is strong. She shows in the speech that she will help them and support them which is another way of her using ethos.
She establishes logos in the speech saying things like American woman are already the luckiest woman in the world. She reminds them several times about how much they have and how healthy they are. By doing this she is giving them a reason to be strong, she is giving them evidence and proof they can be strong. When she explains why they are strong she is being very clear and simple.
She uses pathos by talking about winning the war and how strong them men are that are fighting. She does this to make them feel strong and also to give them hope. This gives them reason to want to be strong and work for them men and take care of their kids. The congresswoman uses ethos pathos and logos to make the woman believe they can stand up and help, and to also show them they can do it by giving them reason to and by showing them they are strong.
You are correct Eddie and you made great connections with all three of the rhetorical devices. You were able to explain yourself very well and show how the speech was important.
DeleteThe Congresswoman is telling the women of America that even thought it doesn’t look the most pretty they are the backbone of the war. She is trying to tell them using their love for the men and other women who are over seas fighting in the war to get them to help and bring the war to a good and swift end. It takes a lot of hard work for them to do what they need to. She makes a good connection with the women in how she say that she must work in the same way.
ReplyDeleteShe creates a connection using logos by speaking about all the things that the women do together, how they work harder than ever before, and how they are still some of the most amazing and beautiful girls in the world. Her speech is making a connection with the men fighting and the women at home backing them up and how they are so similar.
She used ethos to show the other American women that she is exactly the same as them and she is going to be doing similar things. It’s about their connectedness and how working together and working well is the only way for them to win the war. This is mostly true because if they are unorganized and disconnected they won’t be successful.
She uses pathos buy asking the women how they feel about their country, husbands and fathers, and their children. She uses the women’s love of all these to drive them to do what is necessary even if it is not beautiful or comfortable. This speech worked very well because all the women in America and in other allied countries did everything and sometimes more than what was asked from them.
Your first two blogs were late, but mere minutes. Make sure you get these in on time. And as the rules state, those who post last must post on Friday.
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